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glazou: we start at 7am PST, 4pm Paris time ; I will answer to one question at a time ; if you are not asking a question, please remain silent ; in particular do NOT answer to questions please. ok let's start :

ragnaar: Hello, Daniel, Hi all And so… What about Nvu future?

glazou: ragnaar : Nvu future is Mozilla Composer

glazou: ragnaar: I already started committing code to mozilla/composer on trunk

paul: Nvu, any plan to port it in xulrunner ?

glazou: paul: yes, Mozilla Composer _is_ a xulrunner app

goetsu: question : is there any chance to see mozilla composer in an .xpi for integration with a CMS

glazou: goetsu: hmmm, I have no such plan for the time being

goetsu: for something like HTMLarera

glazou: goetsu: for HTMLArea, brade and I need to improve Midas

djc: Nvu/Composer - what's the difference?

glazou: Nvu is a registered trademark by Linspire and is not xulrunner-based

brade & mcs: Will Mozilla Composer have similar goals and features as Nvu?

glazou: brade: yes, plus new features

glazou: Composer will be hosted by cvs.mozilla.org and is a xulrunner app

\_o<: Will be Composer better than VIM, and why ?

glazou: \_o<: care to use a more writable nick ???

pascalc: Mozilla Composer with be based on the 1.8 branch right ?

glazou: pascalc: trunk

pjc: What will be your future relations with Linspire ?

glazou: pjc: that's an excellent question ; I started Mozilla Composer w/o them

troll: will the new mozilla composer suck less than NVU ?

glazou: troll: welcome

richard: what about cascade ?

glazou: richard: CaScadeS 2 will be a commercial add-on to Mozilla Composer

richard: when ?

glazou: richard: no ETA

pascalc: Will Mozilla Composer (M/C in short?) have the FTP sidebar ?

glazou: pascalc: I hope to do MUCH better than that

glazou: with a full site manager

glazou: I wonder if we can reuse some code from FireFTP

djc: Who is working on Mozilla Composer aside from yourself?

glazou: djc: brade when she has time and Neil Rashbrook

zer: what about your plans/talks/UI about The Gimp ? Is there any project or initiatives going on ?

youpi: do you earn money with Nvu ?

glazou: youpi: no

richard: what's you main motivation to swicth apple ??

glazou: ability to build on Linux + Win + OS X on one single machine

paul: you're currently working on several projet: Wengo extension, updating composer, Etna… other projets ?

glazou: paul: yes, I have a few other ideas

richard: you plan to install the 3 systems ?

glazou: richard: yes

troll: small screen rendering xpi of course

glazou: troll: I am still working on that yes, for minimo

Vincent: Have you already plans for a 2.0 version of Nvu, beside the commercial extentions you already mention ?

glazou: Vincent: not yet, I just started writing a few ideas for a feature set

djc: SSR - only for Minimo?

glazou: djc: it's a stylesheet anyway ; you can use it wherever you want

gabber745: Will Etna move to xul runner ?

glazou: 745: good question…

Laurentj: gabber745: yes

pascalc: Will M/C include IE preview à la IEtab ?

glazou: pascalc: IE Preview ????

glazou: pascalc: you want a preview using IE in Mozilla Composer ?

paul: Yeah, great idea
_Tsk_: glazou yes IE7

_Tsk_: glazou if feasible yes that would be neat and help the adoption of standard tools

ragnaar: You Mozilla Composer and Seamonkey's Composer will develop together?

glazou: ragnaar: no that's impossible ; they will reuse use when we are ready

glazou: _Tsk, pascalc: not sure then

pascalc: glazou, yes

glazou: I am not sure I want to embed MSHTML

goetsu: how to specify an image map with nvu

glazou: goetsu: you cant for the time being

_Tsk_: How are you going to fund M/C 's development ?

glazou: _Tsk_: our own money, and we hope to sell “pro” extensions in the future

goetsu: nvu will support drap and drop off html page?

glazou: goetsu: I don't understand

brade & mcs: Are you done with Wengo? How is that going?

Nicolas: I've got a stupid question : Disruptive Innovations Software are free, how do you earn money ?

glazou: Nicolas: see above

youpi: when will we have wengo for firefox / linux ?

zer: don't know if you got mine so here it goes : what about your plans/talks about The Gimp's UI ?

glazou: zer: *sigh*

glazou: zer: apparently, XULifying the UI of the Gimp is too hard

paul: I 've seen that you release a Wengo Extension for Linux, is there any way to get the source code ? (libstdc++ problem)

glazou: paul: wengo source code is ENTIRELY gpl

_Tsk_: Is there a roadmap for M/C ?
Poil: or any time for the first release?

glazou: too many interfaces below

richard: will css factorisation be one day available ? is there someone known to work on that ??

glazou: richard: that's a very difficult task ; we met some while ago Nadine Saint-Amand and she's supposed to work on it

gabber791: Any plans for NVU 1.0 + ?

glazou: 791: not yet, started working on it

goetsu: when i drap an html page in NVU i want to have the code off this page and it's the giving me the path to the file

glazou: goetsu: right, that's what we wanted to do

goetsu: why?

ragnaar: I see _Mozilla_ Composer... whether it means that it is new project MoFo?

glazou: ragnaar, not yet, but at least this is done in full cooperation with Moz

glazou: brendan and chofmann and I discussed the name long ago

richard: we could think css is factorized in the memory of gecko ??

glazou: richard: yes, Hixie had proposals for that

glazou: because you insert more links than you open pages

_Tsk_: Any roadmap available somewhere ?

glazou: _Tsk_ not yet

goetsu: i not sur off that it's an html editor

paul: Composer is currently based on Toolkit, right ? or XPFE ?

glazou: paul: Nvu is based on 80% toolkit and 20% xpfe

glazou: M/C will be based solely on toolkit

gabber799: every thought about adding XUL-Composition to Composer?

glazou: 799: aaaaah, that's a longstanding question and that's incredibly hard

goetsu: maybe when you dragg a page inside the content but not when you drag on the interface

paul: Lot of works needed I think ?

_Tsk_: Bon et tu penses que Villepin va sauter ? que Chirac va demissionner, qu'on va se refaire un 1789 ?

glazou: _Tsk_: english here

glazou: _Tsk_: I think Villepin should resign yes

goetsu: i can't drag my page on the nvu icon on my dock

zer: are you and Laurent lobbying the MoFo and MoCo to really OPEN the mozilla platform to developpers (I mean the Average Joe wanting a RAD, not a top notch hacker) ?

glazou: zer: no we don't

glazou: zer: you probably saw the answers when I said that on my blog “gecko is not a platform” done

djc: Aside from Composer, will Gecko benefit from the years of off-trunk Nvu development (I'm thinking along the lines of serializer improvements etc.)?

glazou: djc: yes, that's the plan

pascalc: will M/C allow to work on PHP based templates ? Currently you can include some php code in NVU but you can't work directly on PHP templates

glazou: pascalc: a DOM-based editor will NEVER be able to load a PHP page with chunks of markup inside…

gabber799: is MC sorta the test for moving to XulRunner, or is everything else moving soon too?

glazou: 799: we are going to move Wengo to xulrunner too

glazou: it's not a test

Laurentj: 799: i'm going to move Etna to xulrunner

glazou: and Firefox will be some day a xulrunner app too

ragnaar: Localization teams must get ready?

glazou: it's the next version

troll: maybe must php move on an xml syntax ?

glazou: PHP is a server-side language

troll: to support NVU

glazou: don't expect to edit it client-side outside of a dedicated editor or text editor

paul: “we are going to move Wengo to xulrunner too” Really ? GREAT !

djc: “glazou: 799: aaaaah, that's a longstanding question and that's incredibly hard” - what are the disadvantages of implementing XUL editing? Too much work? Out of the scope of Composer?

Laurentj: djc: XUL is not only a markup language, but also a xbl based language

glazou: djc: there are a lot of problems with dynamic XUL

Laurentj: so it is difficult to do a wysiwyg editor for that

brade & mcs: Any idea how long it will take to get to MC 1.0?

glazou: brade: I have no idea unfortunately

pascalc: actually, I'd just would like it not to modify my php and to allow me to start a document (before the DTD line) with php code (output buffering)

glazou: pascalc: M/C will never allow that

_Tsk_: is distruptive inovation going to hire more developers

glazou: _Tsk_: yes we may hire again, depending on new contracts

zer: What do you think of the emergence of software like SongBird ? Ain't it a great hope to spread Moz' as a platform ?

glazou: zer: Songbird is the best proof that Mozilla is a reliable platform for apps that have almost nothing to do with web browsing

paul: and a basic editor ?

_Tsk_: Will you sell support for M/C ?

ragnaar: Thunderbird, Sunbird, Firefox… May be new Composer need new name?

pascalc: Will M/C allow direct dynamic CSS editing like the EditCSS extension or webdeveloper toolbar ?

_Tsk_: Will you have a separate website ala Camino ?

glazou: _Tsk_: hmmmm. why not ?-)

glazou: _Tsk_: no idea

troll: GlazouFox !
troll: GlazBird

glazou: troll: bird flu banned aviary names

zer: (end of my platform questions ) Do you (as Michael Gerard does) fear the emergence of XAML if the MozPlatform is not sufficiently opened to developpers in time ?

glazou: zer: XAML is weaker than XUL and harder for students because you have to buy MSVC

brade & mcs: No plans to change the name away from Composer, right? Please do not change it.

glazou: brade: no we are not going to change it

glazou: brade: I had LOTS of chats with MozCo about that

richard: what tools do you use for you work on nvu ??

glazou: richard: msvc + notepad++ + notetab on win, everything usual on linux

_Tsk_: Are the checkings you did today based on NVU ?

glazou: _Tsk_: almost not ; I rewrote almost everything from scratch

richard: no JS debugger ?

glazou: richard: yes ; I already use Venkman in that new beast

_Tsk_: This means thta most of the work in nvu will be rewritten to get to the trunk ?

goetsu: is disruptive innovations web 2.0 ?

glazou: goetsu: we're too disruptive to be only 2.0

richard: do you know why venckman for firefox 1.5 was so long to come ?

glazou: richard: because nobody made the onliner change for it ?

richard: it means that it's not very used by devs

glazou: richard: you say devs don't use Venkman ???

richard: i guess

glazou: bwahahaha

djc: What is Composer's mission?

glazou: djc: provide computer users with an easy-to-use, standards compliant, UI friendly editor for the Web

richard: or are they working with ff 1.0

_Tsk_: Will there be M/C tinderboxen ?

glazou: _Tsk_: I hope so, yes

paul: Do you have any prognostic about the future of Gecko ? Multimedia ? Office (a la OOo) ? Other ?

glazou: paul: ask brendan eich and mitchell baker ?

glazou: paul: more seriously, I think it's going to be a hit as a platform

joss: Do you think jabber + jingle (audio support) could win the “battle” of VOIP ?

glazou: joss: no, I wouldn't bet on it

goetsu: is there any job opportunity in disruptive innovation

_Tsk_: Do you intend to get on the branches for ff 2 and FF 3 are will you stay on the trunk for some time before branching for stable releasess ?

glazou: _Tsk_: I'll stay on the trunk for the time being

_Tsk_: Question on Life : I lost my gf last weekend any tips you could geive me to get her back with me ?

glazou: _Tsk_: tell her I disagree with what she did

glazou: we'll stop this session in 5 minutes, people.

goetsu: is there any job opportunity in disruptive innovation ?

glazou: not at this time, but possibly in a short term future

djc: What's the status of ETNA? How far along is it?

glazou: djc: 1.0 is the goal ?

Laurentj: djc: a new version that fixesmany many bugs wil be released in one or two weeks

gabber908: any further development of Nvu

_Tsk_: glazou how would you qualify Epitha ?

glazou: _Tsk: what is epitha ?

paul: I think he wants to talk about Epita school
_Tsk_: galzou a computing french school where the answer should have been 42

glazou: Epita used to be a pirates' cave ; it's better now

brade & mcs: Thanks for the updates!

glazou: brade: you're welcome !

glazou: brade: and I hope you'll port Page Saver and others to M/C

gabber143: when wiill there be a linux version of openwengo's extension? is there any date planned?

glazou: 143: yes there is but they have problems with a few distros ; stay tuned

joss: do you refuse a lot of contracts for DI because of the terms ?

glazou: joss: no ; we just stopped a contract recently ; we sort the requests we receive and don't even discuss when it's not in our scope

gabber908: it'd be nice if you brought comments back on your blog, means we could ask questions anytime in the day

glazou: 908: comments attract trollers, and I can't stand trollers

gabber624: vraiment sympathique dommage qu'il n'y ai pas le meme sur Xulfr

glazou: 624: indeed...

djc: When will the next chat session be?

glazou: djc: no idea

jmfayard: Hello Daniel, sorry to talk about “franchouillardise” but I remembered tocan't help to ask you how you feel to have predicted long before others that our lovely Ségolène would be the candidate de … glazman.org… 2004/03/29… le-candidat-du-ps-a-la-presidentielle-de-2007

glazou: eheh

glazou: jmfayard: yeah, I think I understand quite well how french politicians think and work

YannHamon: just a technical question, where can I fond this applet? Is tihs IRC?

glazou: http://gabbly.com

_Tsk_: will you accept donations to fund M/C ?

glazou: _Tsk_: yes

joss: When will you interview Nicolas Sarkozy ?

glazou: joss: he already has my questions, but he's a bit busy these days

gabber908: it's a shame about the trollers I used to like the legit comments on here

djc: Thanks for the chat, I hope everything goes well

glazou: =====STOP=====

glazou: thanks guys ; that's enough for a first time, a bit exhausting

glazou: bye !